A Little Bit of Truth Would Be Nice

It was Jesus who said that the “truth shall set you free.”  At the risk of overgeneralizing, I think more politicians could stand to learn that truth.  I have written in the past about the Obama birth certificate.  In the time that has passed since, the waters have only gotten murkier not clearer.  There is still no long-form birth certificate that has been released and the officials who claim to have seen it (or something like it since they are intentionally vague even about what they have on record) are now resorting to lying about why they won’t make it public.

It was in an interview with MSNBC that Fukino asserted that the state issues only short-form Certifications of Live Birth.

“What he got, everybody got,” Fukino said in the interview. “He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”

Joshua Wisch of the Hawaii attorney general’s office went further, telling MSNBC the original document belongs to the state and cannot be released to anyone – or copied by anyone.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he told MSNBC, saying there are no provisions that authorize copying such records.

I can only speculate that whatever the truth is about his birth certificate; it must be far more damaging or problematic than the kabuki dance they are putting on now.  The fact that their claims are easily falsifiable just adds to the embarrassment.

“Danae” obtained her long-form, hospital-generated certificate of birth to win a $200 bet with another FreeRepublic participant operating under the username “james777.” The dare was for someone to prove he or she could get a long-form birth certificate from the Hawaii DOH after 2001, when the Hawaii DOH went electronic and agency spokeswoman Janice Okubo claimed the department quit issuing such documents.

The Hawaii Revised Statutes, Paragraph 38-13(a) specifies that the agency “shall, upon request, furnish an applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.” Further, subparagraph C allows that copies of birth certificates “may be made by photograph, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.”

Others have obtained long-form birth certificates from Hawaii,  according to a report in “The Post & Email” blog by Miki Booth.

I know that honesty might be too much to expect from a politician in some people’s opinion, but I think we need to demand the truth of this situation.  After all, it’s just a piece of paper.

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4 thoughts on “A Little Bit of Truth Would Be Nice

  1. rrichardson

    IF this were true, then you or WND or the Post & Email could write the following advertisement and publish it in the Hawaii newspapers.

    “The officials in the Department of Health of Hawaii and, most recently, the Attorney General’s office of Hawaii have said that it is no longer possible to get a long-form birth certificate in Hawaii. But we say, based on images from birthers who posted them and that were picked up by WND, that they are both lying (or “mistaken,” if you are afraid of being sued or want to be nice) and that YOU can get your long-form birth certificate. So, go to your nearest DOH office and demand a copy of your long-form birth certificate. And, by the way, let us know if it works.”

    Why do I think that such an ad will never be run?

    Tell you what, you put the ad in the Hawaii newspapers, and if in the next month you get 10 or 20 people who will show you their long-form birth certificate obtained in April 2011 or May 2011, then I will acknowledge that both the attorney general’s office and the DOH were wrong and that you can indeed get your long-form birth certificates in 2011.

    Here is what the DOH of Hawaii said:
    http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606

    What part of “No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore” don’t you get?

    This is what the attorney general’s office said:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-

    Here is the part about not sending out or allowing copies of the originals to be made anymore:

    “But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

    “It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

    But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

    Of course, it is possible that these two reports are wrong, and that if you run the ad that says that people can get their original birth certificates and should apply for them, then people actually will get their original birth certificates.

    But, before you take the risk, think. The first of these reports appeared in a Hawaii newspaper, and since then there has not been a correction, nor has anyone written a letter to the Editor, saying that she or he actually had gotten their long-form birth certificate. And, when the DOH statement ran in the Star Bulletin, the attorney general of Hawaii was a Conservative Republican, who could have taken action against the DOH if it were lying, but he didn’t.

    Like the guy who claimed to have gone to Kenya and gotten a Kenyan birth certificate, there are likely to be people who claim that they got their long-form birth certificates in 2011, and produce “documents” that they claim proves this.

    By the way, of the two images that WND shows, one is allegedly signed by the current official, Onaka, and is on security paper. The other has no visible signature or date and is only a photocopy, not on security paper (That was the one that was produced in order to win a bet. I wonder if the sucker paid off.). As for the one that was allegedly signed by Onaka, WND could have asked him IF he signed copies of any long-form birth certificates issued this year, but it didn’t. Wonder why not?

  2. As for the one that was allegedly signed by Onaka, WND could have asked him IF he signed copies of any long-form birth certificates issued this year, but it didn’t. Wonder why not?

    I will start at the bottom. Ever heard of a “signature stamp” at all? I am pretty sure that Onaka hasn’t signed many documents of that sort by hand ever.

    I honestly don’t care if you need 10 or 20 or 100 produced in the next month for you to believe it. One person cited in the story above produced a copy of the dated receipt that demonstrates the officials are at best mistaken in their assertions and are at worst lying. That didn’t do it for you. And it is folks like you who argue that “birthers’ won’t accept proof.

    When Barack Obama actually produces a long-form birth certificate, we can test the veracity of that claim as well. I for one welcome it.

    If it comes down to believing a politician or a regular Joe, I will take the regular Joe every time based on previous experience.

  3. I knew there was something funny about that first comment. An identical comment to rrichardson’s above, with the exact same text, from the same IP, with a different name and email just showed up in my spam folder here. Apparently, there is real concern over this issue blowing up in their face or something.

    That said, I don’t expect a response from rrichardson or whoever is behind the spam regarding the issues I asked in follow up to that comment. I should have known better.

    Did a little IP searching and the spam comments originate from Massachusetts. Why is that not a shock either.

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